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Bookwise--how is anybody supposed to make money with this?
Posted: Jul 11, 2007 7:11 AM
 

I read a Richard Paul Evans book that I picked up for resale--Five Things a Millionaire Taught Me. It wasn't a bad book, so I signed up for his rags-to-riches newsletter. Got my first one yesterday. It seems he's pitching some kind of MLM book club--Bookwise--that will transform the financially bereft into online bookselling powerhouses. Has anybody heard of this?

The thing is, I can't figure out how the heck anyone is expected to make money with this. Their catalog is limited, their special "associate" prices, atrocious, and the MLM-speak has got my head spinning. Apparently we're supposed to sign other people up to sell overpriced books online, and take a matching comission on the zillions of ensuing sales. Is there something I'm missing?



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Re: Bookwise--how is anybody supposed to make money with this?
Posted: Jul 11, 2007 7:47 AM   in response to: gypsykb2003
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I had never heard of this, so I looked up their website and read all the literature. Its your classic MLM, which is fine I suppose, as far as that goes. But like most MLMs the amount of people you'd have to have in your downline to make any decent amount of money is astounding. The first level on their compensation chart that pays equal or better to a minimum wage job requires 2187 people in your downline at $35 a month each.

I think you'd be vastly better off by building an Amazon Associates store for the commissions from that.

It seems likely to me that the ones who'd profit from this would be the founders. Of course, MLM can be done, and quite successfully, but I think the effort, energy, and sales talent required to succeed could yield a greater result in almost any other business.

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Re: Bookwise--how is anybody supposed to make money with this?
Posted: Jul 11, 2007 1:08 PM   in response to: gypsykb2003
 

There is legit MLM (good thing) and ponzi schemes (bad thing).

Anyone can start a ponzi scheme using any 'product'.   The product (books in this case) is not the issue, no one cares what the scheme is selling, only that you get alot of people under you buying.

You can start a ponzi scheme selling a dot on a fax paper.   Get everyone you know to sign up under you and then fax this dot to everyone on the list (like the old chain letter).   Keep bringing in fresh blood with fresh money and those on the top make money.   Everyone on the bottom loses theirs.

I haven't read the information about this one, but I would guess it's more ponzi than MLM.

A true MLM can be a great idea.  It's just getting paid a little for each time you refer someone.  Think of every one you told that some movie is a good one, and they went to see it because of you.   If you got a percentage of each of their tickets and got a check mailed back to you each week, wouldn't that be cool?

Think of the times you raved about "that great new restaurant that opened" - if you got a percentage of all the meals eaten there by people who went based on your referral, that would be cool.   It would be so nice to have those checks just come in the mail every week. 

Another variation on the theme is those "stuffing envelopes" scams.   To make it legit they have to have a product, can't just send out chain letters for money, so the product is a flyer advertising the stuffing envelopes scheme itself.   Talk about a closed loop.  

Anyway, you're better off reading all the stuff on these boards and creating your own rags to riches story.   Most of the ones selling "How I Got Rich" type things actually got rich by selling that book to you. 



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Re: Bookwise--how is anybody supposed to make money with this?
Posted: Jul 11, 2007 6:02 PM   in response to: gypsykb2003
 

The only ones who really make money on things like this are people who either started the program or the ones just below them.  The rest of the poor slugs are making money for the aforementioned people. 

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Re: Bookwise--how is anybody supposed to make money with this?
Posted: Jul 14, 2007 1:34 PM   in response to: gypsykb2003
 

"transform the financially bereft"  That would be me.

You should be writing! 

I should be doing the dishes.

LL



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Re: Bookwise--how is anybody supposed to make money with this?
Posted: Jul 14, 2007 8:56 PM   in response to: gypsykb2003
 

The only kind of MLM to get into are the kinds where you really believe in the product.  Also you should be a well-rounded businessperson with basic skills in networking, sales, finance, and the other business skills, because multi level marketing is a difficult job like any other small business.

ANY presentation that implies that the product sells itself is both a lie and attracts the wrong kind of people to join up.  I can't think of any MLM opportunity that doesn't require good people skills and especially sales skills, and the people at the top should be recruiting and/or training people who can sell and recruit.



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Posted: Jul 15, 2007 7:12 AM   in response to: gypsykb2003
 

While this will probably get me kicked off, I can relate the facts to you.

BookWise is more than an online bookstore, yes you can buy the top 85% of the best selling books in any given month, but their is more. Richard Paul Evans and Robert Allen have put together a program that also has an ongoing educational component. Every week there are teleconferences that teach you how to be President of your business and your life, another that teaches you how to improve your wealth. Every month there are tax training conferences and another where best selling authors, publishers, publicist and agents will teach you what it takes to be a Best Selling Author. (the last event culminates in a 2 day writers conference in October)

It costs $39.95 to join and $35 per month of which you get your choice of any book on their list, plus an audio book (this month "The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People) and an e-book).

The list of avaialble publications will grow substantial over a very short period of time. There is a mondy back guarantee that if you belong for 1 year and do not find that it improved your life, you get your money back and you keep the books.

The mlm aspect is actually robust. You can earn money 6 ways and frankly due to the lact of attrition, (less than 1 tenth of 1 percent) you business always seems to grow. They have a 100% commission match of whomever you sign so it is a rather good program.

I believe in hedging my bets..... no reason you can't be an Amazon affiliate as well as a BookWise Associate... For more info

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Re: Bookwise--how is anybody supposed to make money with this?
Posted: Jul 15, 2007 3:56 PM   in response to: gypsykb2003
 

hey the guy on the top of this sceme will make out like a bandit. Check out the number of BBB complaints against him

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Posted: Jul 20, 2007 9:57 PM   in response to: wraprevail
 

In reply to your description of this MLM. You said the one bad word-"Robert Allen" !

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Posted: Aug 11, 2007 7:37 AM   in response to: gypsykb2003
 

Yes you can. I've made money since the first day.

It is so much more than just books. I get to take classes as how to write a book from a New York Times Bestselling Author who has written multiple best-sellers. I get to attend a book conference and learn from people like Jack Canfield and other authors as well.

I get to learn from several multi-millionaires about how to get out of debt and create true prosperity.

Personally this is one of the best things that has ever happened to me.

Also, if you haven't met Robert Allen you are missing out. True he made some mistakes early on that he openly admits. But he has learned from those mistakes and if you took time to learn just a small amount of what he has to offer it could alter your life for the better.

My first book each month is the only one that costs retail or slightly extra, but that cost includes lots of other benefits as well. You're not paying for just a book. Any books I order after that are at 40% to 50% off. Many of them beats Amazon prices. It depends on the title. Since Amazon regularly discounts the current best sellers we generally get them for the same price.

Bottom line, BookWise has a lot to offer people and it very possible to make money. I know because I've done it. How many business owners can say they've made money from the first day. Most businesses aren't profitable for years.

Leisa

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Posted: Aug 11, 2007 3:05 PM   in response to: bookwiseleisa
 

Amazing - a book MLM.

It does miss the mark of the best MLMs however.   The first thing you want in an great MLM product is something that is repeat order.   Think Amway (soap), herbal supplements (Herbal Life), etc  Stuff that people use up and have to replenish often - usually monthly and with an autoship feature that puts their order in automatically and keeps em hooked in month after month after month.

But books?

Is the idea that you assume they'll be read and thus consumed constantly and the hunger will have to keep being fed month after month?

Unfortunately I have donated a small fortune to MLMs and I now run, never walk, in the opposite direction when I hear anything that mentions levels and commissions and downlines and uplines and how easy it is to make lots of money.

(Interesting too that the only posts these 'defenders' have ever made here is this one on this thread.)



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Posted: Aug 11, 2007 6:35 PM   in response to: gypsykb2003
 

It seems he's pitching some kind of MLM book club--Bookwise--that will transform the financially bereft into online bookselling powerhouses. Has anybody heard of this?

How many subscribe to his newsletter?

How many online bookselling powerhouses do you know of?

There's your answer.

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Posted: Aug 11, 2007 6:48 PM   in response to: gypsykb2003
 

I'll sell you $20 bills for $50.

These aren't just ordinary $20 bills, they have Bigg Fredd stamped on them.

Once you join the program, you can sell them to other people for $50, and your cost is only $40. Those people can buy more from you for $40 and resell them for $50 and for five levels down, we'll pay $2 per level.

This is how most MLM (doesn't) work. At the minimum, I get $30 for a $20 bill, maybe $50. The only reason anyone pays more than $20 is NOT because it's a great product, but because they can sell it to someone else.

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Posted: Aug 13, 2007 1:15 AM   in response to: bigg_fredds
 

WOW That's a deal!   Can I get a bunch of those bigg_fredds $20 bills?

I'll have to pay you with these blue "earthmom" dollars.   Ok?  Don't worry though, they come in denominations of 50, 500 and 10,000 earthmomBucks. 

I'll take 10,000 earthmomBucks worth of bigg_fredds bills. 



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Posted: Aug 13, 2007 2:14 AM   in response to: earthmom22
 

We're kidding, but there's a MLM program that's just this bad. Back when silver was around $5 an ounce and coin dealers were selling 1 ounce silver rounds for $6, they came out with Norfeds.

This was billed as a new legal currency that would replace worthless Federal Reserve Notes and be 100% backed by silver. A Norfed was stamped $10, contained an ounce of silver, and sold in quantity for $7.50.

Dealers would lay in a supply and "spend" them at face value. They pointed to cases of members trading these at face to unwitting souls as evidence that they were real money. Of course, they could be "spent" again, all the recipient had to do was find another ignorant person willing to give them $10 for $5 in silver.

Distributors had some fancy name like redemption center, which didn't mean that they ever actually redeemed anything (except that they'd take your worthless FRNs for Norfeds). So while they'd gladly sell you $100,000 "worth" of them for $75,000, if you needed to "spend" them for a house or open heart surgery, you'd find the only quick buyer was a bullion broker at $45,000.

Of course, the redemption center would buy them from you, as he needed them for stock, but what's his incentive to pay $10 each when he can buy them from the company for less than $7.50? None of them were ever able to answer if they would give $10,000 cash for someone turning in 1000 of them.

The numbers have changed, the scam's the name. See norfed site.

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