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Re: PT: Gay marriage, another perspective
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Nov 1, 2008 11:51 AM
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Do something for yourself to stop being miserable.
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Re: PT: Gay marriage, another perspective
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Nov 1, 2008 12:10 PM
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a_starving_actor: "Thank you for that. You know for years, the gay community has been criticized for being "promiscuous", "lonely people", "immoral". And those same critics now want to take something away a right that would provide a foundation for a healthy relationship."
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Justification for prejudice has been historically rooted in greed. If you look deeper for "rational reasons" in defense of "moral superiority", the roots of any kind of prejudice is always based in greed."Traditionalists" benefit immensely from prejudice against "gay marriage". Siblings and parent's of "gays" find it extremely "beneficial" to discriminate in many ways, especially with denial of "inheritance rights and privileges".
What happens when a gay person dies? To their property? If gays had the same protection rights of marriage or "civil union", they could protect their loved ones and their property rights without an extensive educational "knowledge" of contracts to protect them in the event one partner becomes ill or dies.
"Traditionalists" also benefit from smearing all "gays" with labels like "immoral, lonely and promiscious". What better way to justify denying people equal rights? The logic of greed and prejudice is that "Bad people" don't deserve rights".
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Re: PT: Gay marriage, another perspective
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Nov 1, 2008 12:12 PM
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I think it has to do with the "pecking order"...scapegoats. Gays and blacks are the scapegoats. It's a way to control and feel superior.
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Re: PT: Gay marriage, another perspective
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Nov 1, 2008 1:49 PM
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a_starving_actor: "Thank you for that. You know for years, the gay community has been criticized for being "promiscuous", "lonely people", "immoral". And those same critics now want to take something away a right that would provide a foundation for a healthy relationship."
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Justification for prejudice has been historically rooted in greed. If you look deeper for "rational reasons" in defense of "moral superiority", the roots of any kind of prejudice is always based in greed."Traditionalists" benefit immensely from prejudice against "gay marriage". Siblings and parent's of "gays" find it extremely "beneficial" to discriminate in many ways, especially with denial of "inheritance rights and privileges".
What happens when a gay person dies? To their property? If gays had the same protection rights of marriage or "civil union", they could protect their loved ones and their property rights without an extensive educational "knowledge" of contracts to protect them in the event one partner becomes ill or dies.
"Traditionalists" also benefit from smearing all "gays" with labels like "immoral, lonely and promiscious". What better way to justify denying people equal rights? The logic of greed and prejudice is that "Bad people" don't deserve rights". "Dude", you "so" "love" your "quotation" "marks"!  
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Re: PT: Gay marriage, another perspective
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Nov 1, 2008 2:41 PM
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"Dude", you "so" "love" your "quotation" "marks"!
He sure does 
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Re: PT: Gay marriage, another perspective
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Nov 1, 2008 3:46 PM
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My husband and I have a friend. He has been our friend for about 20 years.
For a long time we suspected he was gay but he never said. He had relationships with women but something always went wrong.
Well about 3 years ago he found someone to make him happy. He finally told everyone and was officially out of the closet.
His family, who have known him for 40 years promptly disowned him. The other guy does not know us and is wary. I honestly don't blame this other guy after dealing with our friends family.
We have told him all is Okay with us and tried to relay this to his friend.
He has since sold his house and moved away. They have bought his house together. We email him sometimes and he emails back. I am sad we do not see him anymore but am glad he has someone.
Friends are hard to come by. The older I become the less there are of old friends.
A friend is a friend is a friend.
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Re: PT: Gay marriage, another perspective
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Nov 1, 2008 6:08 PM
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As long as the state okays it.
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Re: PT: Gay marriage, another perspective
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Nov 1, 2008 6:19 PM
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That's what civil unions are for. Don't mess with the tradition of marriage. Vote Yes on 8.
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Re: PT: Gay marriage, another perspective
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Nov 1, 2008 6:22 PM
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I really don't know that you have the right to exclude a large block of humanity from enjoying a basic right and privilege. Have a nice day.
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Re: PT: Gay marriage, another perspective
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Nov 1, 2008 6:22 PM
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What does it take out of marriage to make it open for all genders to marry one another...whichever gender they wish? I never understand why people object to gays marrying eachother. Jim and I have been married for almost 42 years, and we wouldn't feel upset if gays married. I'm not sure that civil unions give gays rights equal to married heteros.
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Re: PT: Gay marriage, another perspective
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Nov 1, 2008 6:27 PM
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Marriage is between a man and a woman. All other relationships fall under other categories like civil unions.
Don't misunderstand me. I have absolutely no problem with what two consenting adults do or how they live. I am just a very strong believer in the traditional definition of marriage. I believe civil unions between same sex couples should be honored like marriage, just don't call it marriage. Sorry, that just sounds like something from the twilight zone to me.
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Re: PT: Gay marriage, another perspective
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Nov 1, 2008 6:28 PM
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I'm not sure that civil unions give gays rights equal to married heteros.
They aren't - One thing you can't do is file federal taxes jointly.
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Re: PT: Gay marriage, another perspective
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Nov 1, 2008 6:31 PM
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The General Accounting Office in 1997 released a list of 1,049 benefits and protections available to heterosexual married couples. These benefits range from federal benefits, such as survivor benefits through Social Security, sick leave to care for ailing partner, tax breaks, veterans benefits and insurance breaks. They also include things like family discounts, obtaining family insurance through your employer, visiting your spouse in the hospital and making medical decisions if your partner is unable to. Civil Unions protect some of these rights, but not all of them.
http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedding/a/unionvmarriage.htm
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Re: PT: Gay marriage, another perspective
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Nov 1, 2008 6:37 PM
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Then they should fight for those rights. Just don't mess with marriage. If this thing gets defeated and gay marriage becomes the law of the land, it will be interesting to see when someone sues to marry his sister. Or what about polygamy? Why should that be banned? Or how about human/animal marriage? Sure this sounds far fetched, but, what is stopping it from happening? Why can one group change the definition of marriage, yet, another group can't?
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Re: PT: Gay marriage, another perspective
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Nov 1, 2008 6:40 PM
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Oh for pete's sake. Now you're just being silly.
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