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Obama’s Birth Certificate Challenger Keeps Going
Posted: Nov 23, 2008 6:11 PM

http://blogs.forbes.com/trailwatch/2008/11/obamas-birth--1.html

Obama’s Birth Certificate Challenger Keeps Going

You've got to hand it to Philip J. Berg: he doesn't give up easily. You might recall that Philadelphia attorney Berg tried, and failed, to halt the presidential election of Barack Obama on the grounds that he is not a native-born citizen. Game over, right? Wrong.

Berg filed a writ of certiorari to the U.S. Supreme Court in late October, asking that the highest court review the decision of the U.S. District Court in Pennsylvania. The latter court dismissed Berg's claims because he lacked standing to bring them. Standing requires plaintiffs to prove they are directly affected by the issue at hand, with evidence of injury that is concrete and particular. In its decision the district court said Berg "does not, and we believe cannot, establish injury in fact." It also dismissed his claims as frivolous.

Berg takes this in stride. His writ, he says, requires Obama and the Democratic National Council to respond by December 1. Also, he has another arrow in his quiver. He's filed in the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., under the False Claims Act, which is often used in Medicaid fraud. "I am basing this on the fact that as a U.S. senator [Obama] is collecting money illegally because he is not a citizen of this country," he says.

One of the pillars of Berg's argument is that Obama doesn't have a legally-valid U.S. birth certificate because he was born in Kenya. Though debunking specialists from Snopes.com and Factcheck.org have asserted the validity of a birth certificate released by the Obama campaign and affirmed by the State of Hawaii, Berg remains unconvinced. Factcheck.org, he said, is suspect because it is run by a group called Annenberg of Chicago, where Obama once sat on a board with William Ayers. Snopes.com worked off the same false document, he said.

Brooks Jackson, director of Factcheck.org, admits that his group is a part of the Annenberg Public Policy Center, but says the Obama board connection is a canard.

The only connection Obama had with Annenberg came in 1995 through 1999 when the president-elect was the board chairman for The Annenberg Challenge in Chicago. The Challenge was charged with distributing $49 million in order to improve public education.

"The connection with us is that Obama was the board chairman of a group that benefited from Annenberg's philanthropy years before we came into existence," Jackson says. "Somehow that was twisted into Obama sat on our board." Factcheck.org, in fact, does not have a board of directors.

The seeming last word on the subject came from Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the director of Hawaii's department of health. On October 31 she issued a press release stating that she had personally seen and verified that Hawaii's state department of health has Obama's original birth certificate on record.

Berg responds that nowhere does the press release say this original certificate is actually American. Instead, he says, the certificate in Hawaii's vaults is from Kenya.

Hawaii's answer to this will surely fuel more fires. "Unfortunately the way state laws are written we are not allowed to confirm vital information and vital records," said Janice Okubo, a spokeswoman for Hawaii's department of health. "I cannot confirm individual information because that is against the law."

She added, though, that Dr. Fukino does have authority over and maintains records for individuals born in Hawaii.

--David Serchuk

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Re: Obama’s Birth Certificate Challenger Keeps Going
Posted: Nov 23, 2008 6:31 PM   in response to: rockandhawkbooks

I think that there are at least 17 different cases all challenging the Kenyan's birth certificate right now!

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Posted: Nov 23, 2008 6:35 PM   in response to: rockandhawkbooks

Do you honestly think the Republican party is so incompetent not to have challenged this a long time ago if there had been the tiniest doubt? Do you think his birth would have been challenged if he were white?

BTW, Berg is/was a huge supporter of Hillary.


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Posted: Nov 23, 2008 6:37 PM   in response to: afistfulofdiscs

I think that there are at least 17 different cases all challenging the Kenyan's birth certificate right now!

More ridiculousness from the right-wangers.  It never ends, from the blatant racism claiming affirmative action, to the latent racism claiming he's "not one of us".

We'll get used to 4 years of muck-raking.  By then, the general populous will be so tired of these ignorant individuals, the RNC will be buried forever.



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Posted: Nov 23, 2008 6:38 PM   in response to: marsin2010

maybe we should only challenge him 50%

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Posted: Nov 23, 2008 6:40 PM   in response to: usedmagz

"We'll get used to 4 years of muck-raking."

Oh, daddy-O, you can count on that, Mags.

Stings, don't it?

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Posted: Nov 23, 2008 6:40 PM   in response to: usedmagz


usedmagz wrote:

I think that there are at least 17 different cases all challenging the Kenyan's birth certificate right now!

More ridiculousness from the right-wangers.  It never ends, from the blatant racism claiming affirmative action, to the latent racism claiming he's "not one of us".

We'll get used to 4 years of muck-raking.  By then, the general populous will be so tired of these ignorant individuals, the RNC will be buried forever.

We have had 8 years of it from the Dems and yes we are tired of it.  Please stop.

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Posted: Nov 23, 2008 6:45 PM   in response to: mydvdwarehouse

We have 8 years of it from the Dems and yes we are tired of it.  Please stop.

Absolute nonsense.  Nothing compared to the filth the right wangers are willing to toss around, without a hint of truth.

He's a Muslim.  No, an apostate.  No, a black libertarian.  A Kenyan.  He faked his Selective service records.  His wife was screaming she hates whitey.  A socialist.  A communist.  A fascist.

And the man hasn't even taken office.

The utter ridiculousness of the 'conservative' movement is beyond comprehension of anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence.  No wonder Bush did his best to destroy the school system.



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Posted: Nov 23, 2008 6:46 PM   in response to: rockandhawkbooks

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Re: Obama’s Birth Certificate Challenger Keeps Going
Posted: Nov 23, 2008 6:47 PM   in response to: usedmagz

We just saw news coverage that the KKK is having a fine time with new recruits since the election. Looks like the deep thinkers are coming out of their slime holes.

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Posted: Nov 23, 2008 6:48 PM   in response to: rockandhawkbooks

Factcheck.org, he said, is suspect because it is run by a group called Annenberg of Chicago,

Ambassador Walter Annenberg, the founder of the Annenberg Foundation was a longtime Republican---his wife Lenore, who lives nearby me, is still active and also a Republican. 

Berg is an obvious nutcase--he also thought the WTC were brought down by a government conspiracy on 9/11.



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Re: Obama’s Birth Certificate Challenger Keeps Going
Posted: Nov 23, 2008 6:48 PM   in response to: usedmagz

"He's a Muslim. No, an apostate. No, a black libertarian. A Kenyan. He faked his Selective service records. His wife was screaming she hates whitey. A socialist. A communist. A fascist.

And the man hasn't even taken office."

Stings, don't it?

That's karma out front, Mags. Its been patient.

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Posted: Nov 23, 2008 6:49 PM   in response to: usedmagz

Well be prepared to get what you have given for so long,  I don't have time nor energy nor desire to participate as the left did for so long.  I am not slinging mud and may be one of the few Republicans that post here that wish him the best of luck.  I do not want him to fail nor do I plan Inor have I ever) made any racial comments or such about him.  However I do not re-write history and admit that the left has been hateful and nasty to President Bush and taken many cheap shots at him so they have no moral authority to act superior when the other side does the same.

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Posted: Nov 23, 2008 6:50 PM   in response to: mydvdwarehouse

"I don't have time nor energy nor desire to participate as the left did for so long."

I do.

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Posted: Nov 23, 2008 6:50 PM   in response to: rockandhawkbooks

Hawaiian officials admit withholding Obama's original BC
<small>http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/hawaiian-officials-admit" target="_blank">Isreal Insider ^ | November 1, 2008 </small>

Now it's pretty apparent why Barack Obama made his sudden, last minute visit to Honolulu. It wasn't Granny's health problems that interested him but Hawaii's Health Department.

The strategy may have backfired. A statement by Hawaiian officials Friday that they have seen but won't release an "original" birth certificate that has never been released raises more questions than it answers. It undercuts the indignant claims of Obama spokesmen and supporters that the "birth certificate" has been published for months, and the ridicule and claims of "smear" that the Obama camp has made against anyone claiming otherwise.

Image: the "certification of live birth" claimed by Obama campaign as his "birth certificate"

According to an AP report, Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday that she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

But they won't say one word about what's on it.

Conspicuously, Hawaiian officials refuse to confirm that the information on the "original" certificate conforms to what has appeared on the "Certification of Live Birth" produced in 2007 that has so far been passed off as original by the Obama "Fight the Smears" site (here) and the Annenberg-backed site FactCheck.org (here). The latter dedicated a photoshoot to examining in pornographic detail a computer-generated facsimile that may bear no relation to the original document that the State of Hawaii now admits holding.

Can anyone smell "red herring"?

All of the obfuscation, which has been going on for more than four months, begs the question that the Obama campaign and its media supporters have steadfastly refused to answer: why won't the original birth certificate be released?

Why can't the Obama campaign do as the McCain campaign did, and release the original, typewritten document that the State of Hawaii, finally and in the last days before the election, admits exists in its "vaults"? What could be so damaging or contradictory that Obama has felt the need to keep hidden all these years and has created elaborate cover-ups to put forward computer-abstracted certification of live certificate instead of the original birth certificate?

Fukino says that no state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's birth certificate be handled differently. But state officials, including Lingle's office, have consistently refused media requests for the release of the document, saying that only Obama himself, or a close family number, was authorized to have access to the "original" certificate. She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

Apparently that does not include the American People.

And yet Obama claimed in his memoir Dreams from my Father that he had in his possession his birth certificate. Unless the document has been "lost," he could publish the original without visiting grandma in Honolulu.

Trumpeting victory in Hawaii's admission that a suppressed "original" birth certificate exists is Chicago-based journalist Andy Martin, a long time nemesis of Obama, whose trip to Hawaii preceded the candidate's. (Obama arrived just as Martin left). Martin takes credit for forcing the State's hand in a press release:

Obama has falsely claimed to have placed the "original" on the Internet. Factcheck.org has falsely claimed to have seen this document and posted it on the Internet; that is not true. CNN has falsely ridiculed Martin. Hawai'i officials have now refuted Obama's false assertion.

Martin's victory in Honolulu will roil the final weekend of the presidential campaign. Internet chatter is expected to explode as the issue moves to the front page over Saturday and Sunday. Swing voters may be swayed by the exposure that Obama has brazenly been lying to the American people. "We just lobbed a grenade into the final weekend of the presidential campaign," says Andy.

"I am ecstatic. I called Obama a liar. I called Factcheck.org 'ObamaLies.org.' I said CNN was sloppy and lazy and wrong. And I was right. The State of Hawai'i has now backed me up. Whew. I knew I was right, but I feel a lot more comfortable knowing that I have started to get the machinery moving in state government. The original document is now obviously protected and safe from any tampering by Obama.

"My lawsuit started a firestorm in Hawai'i. The circuit judge has set a hearing for November 18th (a report in the Honolulu Advertiser for November 1st for an earlier hearing date of November 7th is inaccurate; that date was cancelled).

"CNN also has egg on its face, because, once again, Hawai'i backs my contention that the original document has never surfaced in public. CNN tried to demean me by contradicting my accurate claim.

"Now Obama, Factcheck.org and CNN have been exposed as liars. I said there was a 'secret,' original, typewritten birth certificate that had never been disclosed, and that document was the original COLB, not the phony 'original' that CNN placed before its viewers.

Martin, who has advanced the theory that the candidate has suppressed the original certificate because it would show that his father is not in fact Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., claims that Frank Marshall Davis -- a high profile Communist and journalist that Obama II referred to in his memoirs only as "Frank" -- is in fact Obama's father.

Martin has a court date in Hawaii on his demand to release the original birth certificate in the public interest scheduled for November 18, 2008. He has scheduled a press conference for today



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