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Re: Customer's Email Address will be eliminated from SSN
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Dec 28, 2006 9:46 PM
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Another good question. I don't use AOB but I will be soon...
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Re: Customer's Email Address will be eliminated from SSN
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Dec 28, 2006 10:13 PM
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Also, a shipping confirmation letter (or lack thereof) is one of the criteria that Amazon tells the buyer to rate us on in feedback. Tom
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Re: Customer's Email Address will be eliminated from SSN
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Dec 28, 2006 11:30 PM
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Our initial response to this change in Amazon policy is "so what" I had the same response to the announcement that you did. I use the "manage your orders" (or whatever it says) option when I am printing out orders. I also use that option to send out shipment notices. I couldn't care less about having access to a buyer's personal email address. I don't use the SSNs for anything. Frankly I think it's a good idea to eliminate buyer's email addresses. It prevents unethical sellers from spamming Amazon buyers and trying to steer those buyers to their own web sites for future purchases.
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Re: Customer's Email Address will be eliminated from SSN
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Dec 28, 2006 11:42 PM
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I would be very upset if Amazon didn't allow potential buyers to write to me. Just this week, I had an email from a buyer wanting to know if the price was on the dust jacket. Although my listing clearly said "Not price clipped", for some reason, he still wanted clarification that it was not a BCE. Less than five minutes after answering him, the sale went through. I also receive emails from buyers about late delivery. I always calm them down. If buyers can't email you about any problems with the order, the only way to get your attention will be negative feedback. This is a very frightening thought. Dale
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Re: Customer's Email Address will be eliminated from SSN
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Dec 29, 2006 5:44 AM
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I want buyers AND potential customers to be able to email me. I just want them to be able to use the same system we are using and then have us reply back the same way.
I appreciate the fact that they are being spammed by unethical sellers, because I am now in the same boat having spam dropped on me. Things are coming in with this parallel address for penny stocks, land in Costa Rica, and online dating services. One asked to shop at their store -click on the link.
I will still answer a question thru the present system if I think it legitimate. If they ask if it is a hardback when listed as a hardback it makes me wonder. The last one was listed as Vol 1 at 18.99 and they wanted to know if it was the same as vol.1,2, and three which is selling for $200. They are looking for the $200. book for $18.99.
I would like to answer questions correctly and immediately. I just want to do it the same way it reached me. I want to send it back thru Amazon. I do not need the junk mail either.
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Re: Customer's Email Address will be eliminated from SSN
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Dec 29, 2006 9:07 AM
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I would kill for the half.com system where the seller confirm's the sale and the buyer gets an automated response. Shifting this step onto us is just additional busy work - and requires thousands of us to come up with our ways of handling outgoing email. If Amazon really wanted to automate the system then they'd copy it. I know others wouldn't like it, but not me. This email confirmation thing is a pain in the a@@ and doesn't have to be.
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Re: Customer's Email Address will be eliminated from SSN
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Dec 29, 2006 9:25 AM
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OK, what is Beta? to me that's a type of video that died. or a small fish in a cup that also dies. enjoy your scone in your warn den, bear. (funny, I dreamed about bears, people getting ripped up and ate) ~~ Linda - I get those stupid questions, something that I already stated in my description - so, I don't answer, I figure they are fishing for email addys. ~~ I like sending my "thank you for your order" note, and customers seem to like it too. I get a lot of "thank you for sending me that." can we copy n paste one into the box provided, if we contact thru Amaz? prob can't have links in it. hates change, kat
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Re: Customer's Email Address will be eliminated from SSN
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Dec 29, 2006 9:58 AM
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*Some of us find it easy to just "Reply" to the SSN, in order to send our "It was shipped today" notices to the buyers. That can be done as a group effort, taking about 10 seconds each. It will probably be more difficult once we lose that ability.* Additionally I find about 40% of questions asked by buyer's (including "when or how was my order mailed" just after you send an Email telling them when and how you mailed it) include no title or order number. The only way I have been able to find the order was to search by Email addres. Experience shows buyers don't like wading thru the superfluous Amazon information to find a buried question or comment. I certainly don't need a long Email from Amazon that gives repetitive information not pertaining to a specific order over and over. Glitches will now impede ability to process orders in a timely fashion and give us no alternate means of obtaining order information. Ann
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Re: Customer's Email Address will be eliminated from SSN
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Dec 29, 2006 12:02 PM
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Their new system is going to cost me time and money. Receipts from the emails can be printed two to a page. Receipts from online take up most of one page. I'm now going to be using twice as much paper than before. The process is also now more complicated and will take almost three times longer.
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Re: Customer's Email Address will be eliminated from SSN
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Dec 29, 2006 12:18 PM
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'OK, what is Beta? ' there are three phases to a project: alpha: this is the development stage where eveyone gets together and brainstorms what the product should look like, act and feel. Beta: this is where the company gets people to do their "field" testing.. checking out how the product actually works, how it actually feels and looks in the real world. they use us as we are dumb enough to test it and then tell them what needs to be fixed for free. Otherwise, they would have to hire testers at $10-$15/hr and Beta testing can go for 6-8weeks before going into the final phase: Production: this is where the product is actually put out to the general public who will still be testing and reporting errors even though they are not aware that that is what they are doing. think of this phase as: I paid for the Product and now it has so many bugs that I am complaining about that it isn't worth the effort any more. This is really common in games that manufacturers push out due to demand and then you get the version 1 through 51 until they finally get it right. Bear
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Re: Customer's Email Address will be eliminated from SSN
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Dec 29, 2006 12:30 PM
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this is the first thing that az has done to really ruffle my feathers! i don't care as much about the email address as getting the mailing address. i have a slooooooowwwwwww dial up connection, so now i'll have to click back and forth to get the address, man oh man that's going to take forever! i tried to generate the a fulfillment report but just get system error mesages, does this report contain an address i can copy and paste? why is 15 days the shortest period of time for the report? me and uncle joe are gettin' cranky down here in the holler
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Re: Customer's Email Address will be eliminated from SSN
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Dec 29, 2006 3:42 PM
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This is going to affect my business as well ... and it also shows again that Amazon does not have the capacity to put themselves in the shoes of the Sellers. Before people reply with the typical "their bat, their ball, their rules" responses - remember that they are making 15% + fees per sale with almost no zero overhead, or additional capital costs and almost zero variable costs. Now then. For me ... I created a little but of software that reads the SSN and prints the label and postage and then notifies the buyer that his product has been shipped - and sends them the tracking info. This gives the buyer a high level of comfort. And then I check to see when the delivery confirmation changes ... I notify them as soon as the package has been marked delivered, and make sure they got it and are satisfied. In some cases - I am the one who tells them that the mailman left a note for them (sometimes they never got the note). All in all - these 2-3 communications with the buyer ensures high customer satsifaction ... (30% of my buyers leave feedback immediately, and all 5's). In some rare cases, there is a problem with an order. Having the email address allows me to communicate with the buyer BEFORE the item is shipped - to get their OK rare cases when the condition was in error or something. This ensures everyone is happy and time is not wasted. But most important - getting a SSN email allows me to have all the info I need in order to ship, without having to go back to the AZ website (a stupid convoluted process)... and also I have 1 single email record of the transaction. I cannot for the life of me understand why they are changing this. A better way to go (aside from requiring Amazon product designers to actually sell books online too!) ... is to give the seller a choice in their setup options: Get a full SSN emaik for each order, a daily summary (with links to the website), a short email for the day (for those who use AWS/XML integrated software) or NO emails - for those who always check their seller site. Just because some people *might* use the buyer's email improperly is NO reason to make the SSN process incovenient for ALL sellers. They ain't protecting the buyer ... we have their physical addresses ... what's next - withholding the names and addresses of the buyers? Seriously - I wouldn't be surprised it this suggestion came from AZ ... why? Because they definitely don't understand third party sellers. Make no mistake - I am a huge fan on Amazon and their marketplace. Just once every 100 cases, they really get it wrong (see their video site if you don't agree ; ) Happy new year.
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Re: Customer's Email Address will be eliminated from SSN
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Dec 29, 2006 4:08 PM
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Just got off chat with AOB. They will have no problems continuing to pull emails. Tim
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Re: Customer's Email Address will be eliminated from SSN
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Dec 29, 2006 4:24 PM
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>But most important - getting a SSN email allows me to have all the info I need in order to ship, without having to go back to the AZ website (a stupid convoluted process)... and also I have 1 single email record of the transaction. beautifully put! s
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Re: Customer's Email Address will be eliminated from SSN
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Dec 29, 2006 5:04 PM
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Uh oh. I just received this UPDATE from Amazon on the new SSN process: --------------- Dear Seller, To protect the privacy of our customers and sellers, we will soon be changing the content of "Sold, Ship Now" e-mails, and the process by which you must fulfill your orders. Beginning on Thursday, February 1st, "Sold, Ship Now" e-mails will contain only the following information: + Amazon's commission on the sale. + Any fees we decide to charge the seller. Because frankly, this is all that matters to us. To determine which product has been ordered and where you should ship the product, please follow the new order fulfillment process: 1. Upon receiving your "Sold, Ship Now" e-mail, there will be a unique 22 digit security code: Using any calculator, multiply the square root of this code by its fourier transform and dividing by the heisenberg constant or hindenburg constant - whichever is more convenient. Remember the result is case sensitive. 2. Call customer support if you have a problem. Remember to have ready the last 4 digits of your grandmother's credit card number. This is of course for your protection. Also, for security purposes, we'll also need for you to repeat your name and mailing address for every 3 sentences of verbal support we provide you. 3. As soon as your order is shipped, Amazon will delete all records of the order (again for your convenience). As always, should any buyer have a complaint, the Secretary will disavow all knowledge of your actions. This SSN message will self-destruct in five seconds. 4. Amazon will send an email to the buyer immedately after a death in their family or divorce, to ask them rate how they feel about your order,
5. Feedback rating points will default to 1 (poor) unless the customer says otherwise (and verifies using that 22 digit code above). 6. Feedback rating points cannot be modified by anyone, since they are backed up by engraving the rating on the Vietnam memorial wall. 7. For further security purposes, when you log on to your Seller page to find your recent orders, please make your computer is not running any software - including firewall software, web browsers or operating systems. ---- Remember to regularly check Seller Your Account for orders since e-mail can be subject to delivery problems that occur outside of Amazon.com’s systems. Please note that as of Feb 1st, every screen in the Seller account management pages will be preceeded by a 30 second advertisement splash screen. This is done to defray the costs of doing business and to augment Amazon's annual profits. Thank you for your understanding. Thank your for Selling at Amazon.com
Happy Selling!
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