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Re: AmazonFail. Instead of fixing Seller Central, they are initiating anti-gay
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Apr 12, 2009 7:24 PM
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"Readers wondering why they couldn't find print versions of books (Kindle versions were not removed. Wonder why?) when searching..."
Wow. I WAS thinking that I was seeing a lot of Kindle listings, but assumed it was my paranoia and utter disgust with Amazon right now....I have a feeling the Kindle post on the soapbox might be about this, so sorry if this comment is in the wrong place, but just wanted to add it to this post....READERS, IN ADDITION TO SELLERS, ARE HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING PRINTED BOOKS, AND ARE INSTEAD FINDING KINDLE VERSIONS. DO THEY REALLY THINK THAT KINDLE IS GOING TO TAKE OFF?? I HAVE A FRIEND THAT WORKS ON THE KINDLE FOR AMAZON AND SHE HATES IT! BUT THEY MAKE HER TAKE IT OUT IN PUBLIC!!! RIDICULOUS. (i wrote that in caps for someone from amazon to see it). Kindle may catch on for people who travel a lot, read mostly newspapers and magazines, etc. but leave the rest of us alone morons!!! don't try to force something on us you jackazzes.
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Re: AmazonFail. Instead of fixing Seller Central, they are initiating anti-gay
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Apr 12, 2009 7:28 PM
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They removed gay literature from sales rank calculations. The thing that I'm wondering about is, why should I care?
Greg
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Re: AmazonFail. Instead of fixing Seller Central, they are initiating anti-gay
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Apr 12, 2009 7:28 PM
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I read the blog and the response from Amazon. I would think they mean "hot and heavy" sexual situations whether they are hetrosexual or homosexual. What defines that is a larger question. Are we once again putting Henry Miller and D.H. Lawrence on trial? I honestly haven't any idea what these decisions are based upon, what the standards are or who at Amazon makes them. If we can clarify those points perhaps we can argue about the situation.
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Re: AmazonFail. Instead of fixing Seller Central, they are initiating anti-gay
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Apr 12, 2009 7:34 PM
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i'll let you figure that one out on your own.
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Re: AmazonFail. Instead of fixing Seller Central, they are initiating anti-gay
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Apr 12, 2009 7:37 PM
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unfortunately, they don't mean 'hot and heavy' sexual situations...that would make *some* sense....so, yes, miller and lawrence (and burroughs) are on trial...however, after further reading...it appears as though amz has caught it and is quickly back peddling...they are claiming it was a glitch:
http://www.smartbitchestrashybooks.com/index.php/weblog/comments/amazon-rank/
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Re: AmazonFail. Instead of fixing Seller Central, they are initiating anti-gay
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Apr 12, 2009 7:40 PM
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Wow! Not exactly what you would call a politically neutral policy. Most private businesses try NOT to comment on controversial issues. This action affects every book on the marketplace because it skews the actual rankings of all the remaining books too, meaning that the rankings are virtually useless. Cheeze-Whiz! What next? Excluding books because the author is gay (content may or may not subliminally suggest "gay-ness")? Excluding CD rankings because the member of a recording group is gay? Excluding DVD rankings because an actor in the movie is gay? (Well, there go all those old Rock Hudson romances). Be careful what you start, Amazon. There may be no end to it. (There usually isn't). Editorial comment: This viewpoint expresses a business position only and does not constitute a statement of policy on any person's sexual preferences. Grams
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Re: AmazonFail. Instead of fixing Seller Central, they are initiating anti-gay
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Apr 12, 2009 7:40 PM
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Good. The war has been won.
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Re: AmazonFail. Instead of fixing Seller Central, they are initiating anti-gay
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Apr 12, 2009 7:42 PM
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I've already figured it out. There is no reason for me to care about this. It's not like Amazon is lining gay people up against the wall and shooting them. That I would care about and oppose. It's not like they are burning books. Again, I'd oppose that. All they are doing is saying that their sales rank calculations will exclude a few books. Big deal.
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Re: AmazonFail. Instead of fixing Seller Central, they are initiating anti-gay
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Apr 12, 2009 7:42 PM
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> They removed gay literature from sales rank
> calculations. The thing that I'm wondering about is,
> why should I care?
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> Greg
Actually they've removed all adult books from the calculations, and they've classed a lot of non-explicit gay and lesbian oriented as adult apparently.
the following titles with gay and lesbian themes are no longer ranked on Amazon:
Radclyffe Hill's classic novel about lesbians in Victorian times, The Well of Loneliness, and which contains not one sentence of sexual description;
Mark R. Probst's YA novel "The Filly" about a young man in the wild West discovering that he's gay (gay romance, no sex);
Charlie Cochrane's "Lessons in Love" (gay romance with no sex)
"The Dictionary of Homophobia: A Global History of Gay & Lesbian Experience," edited by Louis-George Tin (non-fiction, history and social issues)
"Homophobia: A History" by Bryan Fone (nonfiction, focus on history and the forms prejudice against homosexuality has taken over the years)
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10217715-93.html
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Re: AmazonFail. Instead of fixing Seller Central, they are initiating anti-gay
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Apr 12, 2009 7:45 PM
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I see your point. But the real point is why exclude that segment anymore then books about Afro Americans, coal miners or fashion models.
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Re: AmazonFail. Instead of fixing Seller Central, they are initiating anti-gay
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Apr 12, 2009 7:47 PM
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Its Amazon's site and they can feature what they please. If it offends, don't do business with them. This is not doing any real harm to anyone except perhaps Amazon, there are lots of booksellers who would be glad to sell these titles. Its time to remember that this is America and all of us have choices. You, me and Amazon. Whining and whimpering accomplish nothing. If you don;t like what they are doing - go away. Take your trade to someone who you like.
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Re: AmazonFail. Instead of fixing Seller Central, they are initiating anti-gay
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Apr 12, 2009 7:53 PM
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That's a typical kind of Rush Limbo response. "This is America so we can feel free to discriminate against certain segments of the population." It really doesn't matter because it is Amazon's site and they can have a choice of which group they can single out for their own idea of bias. Let's stop waving the flag and think about what other implications decisions like these have.
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Re: AmazonFail. Instead of fixing Seller Central, they are initiating anti-gay
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Apr 12, 2009 7:53 PM
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Actually they've removed all adult books from the calculations, and they've classed a lot of non-explicit gay and lesbian oriented as adult apparently.
According to the blog cited in the original post, adult literature was already excluded from sales rankings. The blogger, and apparently, the original poster, seemed to accept that as a reasonable thing to do.
The thing that upset them was the reclassification of all gay literature as adult literature.
the following titles with gay and lesbian themes are no longer ranked on Amazon:
Radclyffe Hill's classic novel about lesbians in Victorian times, The Well of Loneliness, and which contains not one sentence of sexual description;
Mark R. Probst's YA novel "The Filly" about a young man in the wild West discovering that he's gay (gay romance, no sex);
Charlie Cochrane's "Lessons in Love" (gay romance with no sex)
"The Dictionary of Homophobia: A Global History of Gay & Lesbian Experience," edited by Louis-George Tin (non-fiction, history and social issues)
"Homophobia: A History" by Bryan Fone (nonfiction, focus on history and the forms prejudice against homosexuality has taken over the years)
I agree that rethinking the mass reclassification of all gay literature as adult literature might be a good idea. The books you cite here, especially that last one, clearly are not adult literature.
OTOH, assume for the moment that they don't rethink this policy at all. So what? Who is hurt by this? Are people who read gay literature suddenly unable to buy books because of this change? Are authors of gay literature suddenly unable to sell their books? I can't see that there's any real harm done here.
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Re: AmazonFail. Instead of fixing Seller Central, they are initiating anti-gay
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Apr 12, 2009 7:57 PM
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You are right. It doesn't hurt anyone as far as choice of reading material. I think the point is that is the exclusion of one group. As I wrote why not Afro-Americans, fashion models or coal miners. The blog statement specifically targets gay and lesbian books.
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